Arming the Citizens.

Dr. Phil A · #1 02-23-2010

Finally something newsworthy. And this is actually out of Toronto.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/colum.../12986241.html

zabbo · #2 02-23-2010

Very interesting read. I like the parts about being out of ammo and natural death!

fatrack · #3 02-23-2010

Interesting article. I was reading the comments people left and most of them are bashing the guy that wrote it. I left my own comment to give people something to think about. I wrote:

"I make my living from crime (mostly robbery and BE) and I think its great we have such strict gun control. If there were armed people walking around out there packing a piece my job would be pretty difficult and stressful. Those crimininals in Florida got it pretty tough."

Of course I don't make my living this way but if I did I wouldn't want easy carry laws like they have in Florida.

bigbadjoe108 · #4 02-23-2010

I was reading the comments section of the posted article and came across this article.

Liberals disgust me.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...icle845073.ece

mtylerb · #5 02-23-2010

I argued with dupul, over in the comments for a bit. Silly what people will believe. He's, apparently, not afraid to know criminals are carrying at will. He is, however, afraid to know that law abiding citizens might carry. Go figure.

CaberTosser · #6 02-23-2010

Tyler

I threw in the: " You can lead Dupul to water, but you can't make him drink"
Save for that I typoed his name in the posting.

I'd love to see CCW north of the 49th. I even have a 2 nice dress holster's for my 1911 that I'd love to break-in properly.

mtylerb · #7 02-23-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Tyler

I threw in the: " You can lead Dupul to water, but you can't make him drink"
Save for that I typoed his name in the posting.

I'd love to see CCW north of the 49th. I even have a 2 nice dress holster's for my 1911 that I'd love to break-in properly.

I've got one concealed holster and a new one on the way. I've also got a duty holster coming, as well. I'd like to start shooting IDPA, so at least I can get some practice in before the law allows it (I'm being optimistic, here, leave me alone!).

mtylerb · #8 02-23-2010

I bet wayne doesn't actually show any statistics to back up his argument. I call bluff or statistics directly from Aunty Wendy (which are lies, anyway).

Ken07AOVette · #9 02-23-2010

before I get saddled and jumped on, of all the years that everyone in here has been alive, how many times have YOU actually been in a position where you felt YOU could have mortally benefitted by having a CCW.

I also own handguns, and yes it would be 'cool'

to be able to carry, but seriously, when and where has anyone in here actually has been in the position where locking and loading was their only option?

I travel Montana and other carry states frequently, and wow the freaks there.... I don't want us to end up like that.

Matt L. · #10 02-23-2010

The thing is Ken, I'd rather have it and never have to use it, than not have it and need it.

hal53 · #11 02-23-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

before I get saddled and jumped on, of all the years that everyone in here has been alive, how many times have YOU actually been in a position where you felt YOU could have mortally benefitted by having a CCW.

I also own handguns, and yes it would be 'cool'

to be able to carry, but seriously, when and where has anyone in here actually has been in the position where locking and loading was their only option?

I travel Montana and other carry states frequently, and wow the freaks there.... I don't want us to end up like that.

X2!!!!...and thanks to our lily livered politicians, we are raising a generation of kids that have no concept of the word "consequence"...could be a scary deal.....they're doing quite well with knives, according to the news

t/c 25-06 · #12 02-23-2010

Im not interested in packing a side arm to town but it would be nice to have the option when out in the bush.

CaberTosser · #13 02-23-2010

Ken, while I respect your stance; the option should be ours and not dictated to us by the government. Having the option does not make it mandatory for everyone to pack. Additionally, you may find much less want/need to carry out in small town Alberta than would us big city folk. Unfortunately, we've got significantly more predators in our 'back 40' than you do. Additionally, not every person has the advantage of being a big galoot; which you might imagine steers lots of trouble away from you. Remember that responsible CCW citizens would not be "itching to shoot someone", but prepared to if necessary. In most instances the revealing of a firearm will defuse any further agression from an attacker, and this is the primary goal of CCW. The other goal is to have the predatory criminal types wondering who is carrying and being less violently active, if not less criminally active. I like the fire extinguisher comparison; you don't plan on using it, but its good to have handy and to know how to use should the situation arise.

As for the immature kids angle: yes there's a lot of them theses days, ones who should not have access to firearms never mind CCW permits. But for those that could manage to get them, do you think they'd be acting like its Dodge City all over again if they didn't know what other citizens around them were strapped? They'd realize that provoking an armed citizen would have much worse consequences than the kids gloves treatment they get from the legal industry.

6.5 shooter · #14 02-23-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

before I get saddled and jumped on, of all the years that everyone in here has been alive, how many times have YOU actually been in a position where you felt YOU could have mortally benefitted by having a CCW.

I also own handguns, and yes it would be 'cool'

to be able to carry, but seriously, when and where has anyone in here actually has been in the position where locking and loading was their only option?

I travel Montana and other carry states frequently, and wow the freaks there.... I don't want us to end up like that.

Hummm grew up not 10 miles from the Montana border,travelled there quite a bit when I was younger ... Now I live in the Hat and travel there every 3 months or so ... so I do spend a lot of time in the state of Montana, and a few others.... I have yet to meet any of these FREAKS that you seem to meet?? perhaps your just going to the wrong side of town ??? or is it just the normal .... we are better then the state's, knee jerk reaction????..for a country (Canada) who depends on the US for, mostly all of our trade, culture (we all know US t.v is better) and protection from other countries that would love to do us harm, we sure have a strange way of treating our big brother..and best friend.

I have yet to see a sidearm on anyone on the street's in Montana or any other state for that matter..but knowing that there might be a few somewhere actually gives me a sense of security that one can never find in Canada.

And by the way it is actually illegal to conceal a firearm in the State of Montana .... where as in Canada it is actually LAW to conceal your firearm when you are allowed to take it to the range or out hunting in your vehicle if you really think about it.

P.S. the technology that your using to reply back is courtesy of the big bad U.S. Military..

varmit9 · #15 02-23-2010

found this link about the UN and it's deal with gun control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KqGnJKc04
warning some scenes are disturbing so many destroyed

mtylerb · #16 02-24-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

before I get saddled and jumped on, of all the years that everyone in here has been alive, how many times have YOU actually been in a position where you felt YOU could have mortally benefitted by having a CCW.

I also own handguns, and yes it would be 'cool'

to be able to carry, but seriously, when and where has anyone in here actually has been in the position where locking and loading was their only option?

I travel Montana and other carry states frequently, and wow the freaks there.... I don't want us to end up like that.

I don't know why everyone jumps to the "yes it would be cool" argument. Just because that's the way one person thinks, doesn't mean everybody does. As for your question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

... how many times have YOU actually been in a position where you felt YOU could have mortally benefitted by having a CCW. ....

I live in Canada, if I had ever been in a position where I felt I could have mortally benefited from having a CCW, I'd be dead already. That's kind of a silly argument. Kind of like asking how many fatal car accidents have YOU actually been in in where you felt YOU could have mortally benefited from a seatbelt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt L.

The thing is Ken, I'd rather have it and never have to use it, than not have it and need it.

x2

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Ken, while I respect your stance; the option should be ours and not dictated to us by the government. Having the option does not make it mandatory for everyone to pack. Additionally, you may find much less want/need to carry out in small town Alberta than would us big city folk. Unfortunately, we've got significantly more predators in our 'back 40' than you do. Additionally, not every person has the advantage of being a big galoot; which you might imagine steers lots of trouble away from you. Remember that responsible CCW citizens would not be "itching to shoot someone", but prepared to if necessary. In most instances the revealing of a firearm will defuse any further agression from an attacker, and this is the primary goal of CCW. The other goal is to have the predatory criminal types wondering who is carrying and being less violently active, if not less criminally active. I like the fire extinguisher comparison; you don't plan on using it, but its good to have handy and to know how to use should the situation arise.

As for the immature kids angle: yes there's a lot of them theses days, ones who should not have access to firearms never mind CCW permits. But for those that could manage to get them, do you think they'd be acting like its Dodge City all over again if they didn't know what other citizens around them were strapped? They'd realize that provoking an armed citizen would have much worse consequences than the kids gloves treatment they get from the legal industry.

x2

If you want to go with cool, I think it's cool that I have a Smith & Wesson watch. I don't wear it because it's cool, I wear it because it tells the time and sometimes I just need to know what time it is. In time, strapping your gun to your belt would become nothing more than strapping your watch to your wrist. The novelty will wear off and you'll probably forget you have it ... until you need it.

mtylerb · #17 02-28-2010

It seems the anti's have given up, at least on this article. I wasn't expecting that.

Dr. Phil A · #18 02-28-2010

Maybe they held a rally in downtown TO, got mugged and became converts. LOL

CaberTosser · #19 02-28-2010

Tyler, I noticed in a separate thread that big Ken runs a collection agency. I could see that having a significant impact on his perspective in the matter as it could make for a substantial increase in the danger level of his profession. Some types could get trigger happy when the things they've not paid for are getting repo'd. While I disagree with his opinion, I better understand where he's coming from with it. As for anti's for whom CCW would have no discernible negative impact aside from uncomfortable twisted undergarments, their positions are harder to back up.