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Old 04-29-2011, 11:32 PM
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http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29...use-former-cop


TORONTO - Jack Layton was found laying naked on a bed by Toronto Police at a suspected Chinatown bawdy house in 1996, a retired Toronto police officer told the Toronto Sun.

The stunning revelation about the current leader of the New Democratic Party comes days before the federal election at a time when his popularity is soaring.

When the policeman and his partner walked into a second-floor room at the Toronto massage parlour, they saw an attractive 5-foot-10 Asian woman who was in her mid-20s and the married, then-Metro councillor, lying on his back in bed.

Layton was cautioned by police and released without being charged.

Olivia Chow, Layton's wife, denied her husband had done anything wrong in an e-mail statement late Friday night.

"Sixteen years ago, my husband went for a massage at a massage clinic that is registered with the City of Toronto," Chow wrote. "He exercises regularly; he was and remains in great shape; and he needed a massage.

"I knew about this appointment, as I always do."

In a letter from his lawyer, Layton recalls "being advised by police at the time that he did nothing wrong."

What police say happened on Jan. 9, 1996, was recorded in the former cop's notebook, which was reviewed and photocopied by the Toronto Sun.

The former Asian crime unit officer, who requested anonymity, details a prior police raid on the "premise currently ID as a bawdy house" looking for underage Asian hookers and a subsequent follow-up visit to the two-storey brick storefront on Jan. 9.

At first the policemen didn't realize they were interviewing one of the best-known Toronto politicians who was married to Chow, also a Metro councillor and now the incumbent NDP MP for Trinity-Spadina.

The officer's notebook indicates he asked the suspected john: "Did you receive any sexual services?"

He replied: "No sir, I was just getting a shiatsu."

The cop: "Why did you have all your clothes off?"

The suspected john: No answer.

The cop: "Are you aware that there were sex acts being done here?"

The suspected john: "No sir."

The woman, who was from mainland China, denied masturbating the suspected john but when the question was repeated became nervous and replied, "I don't know I only come to work today," the cop's notes show.

His notes also claim he saw the "female dump wet Kleenex into garbage."

In the interview with the Sun, the officer said: "I asked him for his wallet and I looked at his name and I looked at the last name and it looked familiar.

He's registered as 'John' and I thought he's a 'john.'"

Layton's Christian name is John.

"I explained to him this was a bawdy house and then I asked him the silliest question, 'Are you any relation to the councillor, Jack Layton?' and ... he had that defeated look on his face and he said, 'We are one in the same,'"
the ex-cop said.

The former officer said Layton, seemed quiet and mellow and denied that he knew it was a suspected bawdy house.

The police had to decide what to do with the controversial councillor.

"To have arrested him and charged him would have served our egos a lot more. Layton was a thorn in the side of the police, siding with the anti-poverty movement in '96 or '97 ... Jack was anti-police," the ex-cop said.

"We looked at it and thought do we take advantage of this, or do we look at this like (he's) any other person, put it away and we hope this thing dies a slow death."

In the end, they came to the conclusion they shouldn't charge him.

"If we had barged in and he was engaged in a sex act and we had plainly saw it, then it would have been a different story."

The officers said police filled out a suspect investigation card that recorded his name, address, date of birth -- July 18, 1950 -- height and weight.

That information would be filed away by a civilian administrator for crime analysts to use in tracking criminals with particular attributes.

The former cop is surprised it took so long for the incident to become public.

"This stuff was never leaked out back then. The professionalism was outstanding. I thought this would have come out. This thing within the circle was so well known."

The policemen warned the councillor about the dangers of hanging out in suspected bawdy houses that could be run by Asian triads.

"I remembered lecturing him on a lot of these triads, they'd videotape the customers and extort them afterwards. Jack went pale. I said to him you have to understand it's quite possible," he says.

"He came on a bicycle. I escorted him down and he went away on his bike."
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Old 04-29-2011, 11:34 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...on-layton.html

He admits being there but .........

I think it is another case of I Smoked but didn't inhale.
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Media will have 48 hrs to make this an issue

Harper should stay away from this story as well as Conservative MPs

Aaaaaaaaand.....GO!
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Media will have 48 hrs to make this an issue

Harper should stay away from this story as well as Conservative MPs

Aaaaaaaaand.....GO!
Unbelievable. I thought Canadian politicians were boring.

Now I suspect on this red neck outdoors board...he credibility probably went up.

Still...it is a shame to be outed like this...he is not quite the squeaky clean family man the NDP was hoping for at this point in the election.
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Old 04-30-2011, 12:17 AM
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Unbelievable. I thought Canadian politicians were boring.

Now I suspect on this red neck outdoors board...he credibility probably went up.

Still...it is a shame to be outed like this...he is not quite the squeaky clean family man the NDP was hoping for at this point in the election.
He is threatening to sue any media outlet that says it was anything more than a proper massage.
His spokeswoman says it is a non issue cause he has been elected before without it being an issue.
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Old 04-30-2011, 12:24 AM
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Hopefully this is the news we need to take him down. Has the CBC reported it yet? I think he met his wife in one of those places.
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Old 04-30-2011, 12:27 AM
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Hopefully this is the news we need to take him down. Has the CBC reported it yet? I think he met his wife in one of those places.
CBC, Calgary herald, Global all saying he is denying it was anything more than a Legit massage by a licensed massage therapist.
Then also saying he said he will sue any media reporting otherwise.
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CBC, Calgary herald, Global all saying he is denying it was anything more than a Legit massage by a licensed massage therapist.
Then also saying he said he will sue any media reporting otherwise.
I'm betting that the article was already written and ready to be published before anything was posted on the web..........I guess that we'll see tomorrow.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...e=election2011

A lawyer for the NDP issued a letter to Sun Media that threatened legal action if the allegations were printed in the company's newspapers. The story is already on Sun Media's website.

"The facts are that Mr. Layton had obtained a massage from a massage therapist, but had no knowledge whatsoever that the therapist's location may have been used for illicit purposes," wrote laywer Brian Iler. "He does recall being advised by the police at the time that he did nothing wrong, but that the location was questionable, and to be stayed away from. Mr. Layton gave the officer his name and address, and nothing further happened.

"Any statement or inference that Mr. Layton's actions or behaviour was other than the facts stated above would be without any factual basis, would clearly be made with malice, and ought not to be published."
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This better be on the front page of every newspaper in Canada tomorrow. It sure would if it was Harper getting a happy ending.
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Old 04-30-2011, 01:13 AM
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OK...ladies. How many of you would believe your husband if he gave you the whole...."JEEZ HUN!! I had a kink in my neck and needed a certified SHIATSU massage to work it out, so I pedalled my bike down to some seedy massage parlour in the middle of the night, careful to keep my moustache clean of course, and get it worked on. I thought it was kinda weird when she told me to take all my clothes off and she started the massage way far away from my neck, but who am I to question other cultures?"

Layton is either stating that a) he is the dumbest man to ever walk the planet for thinking this, OR b) that Canadians are the dumbest people to ever walk the planet for believing him. How can he talk about free speech, when he threatens to stifle it with threat of a lawsuit?

THIS my friends is going to get interesting.

Do the mods have a secret viewing area where I could see the deposed thread and have a few minutes alone with it?

Wonder if Hack layton's poll will be up or down tomorrow?
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Old 04-30-2011, 01:17 AM
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I'm wondering who blew the wad on mastergate? My bets are on gilles or iggy. They seem to have the most to gain. Iggy did say he was going to put the drippers under the microscope last week. I didn't think he meant a count and motility test though. Oh well politics does make for strange bedfellows.
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Old 04-30-2011, 01:37 AM
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Like Rugatika said. 1of 2 things is happening here, and neither one is good.

1.If he's that stupid that he thought he was at a place like that to get a real therapeutic massage then he's too stupid to run our Country.

2.He thinks Canadians are that stupid and will actually believe his story unless the media points them in a different direction.

If this clown just came out and said that he made a poor choice 16 years ago and that he and his wife put it behind them 16 years ago and have moved on;this story would already be done with. Instead,it's just getting interesting.
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i heard layton got cancer,,,,be dead i six months,,just heard!!!!!!!!!!
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i heard layton got cancer,,,,be dead i six months,,just heard!!!!!!!!!!
He's being treated for prostate cancer but where is this 6 month thing coming from?
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"I knew about this appointment, as I always do." Olivia Chow...Jack Layton's WIFE. "...as I always do." ??? Sounds like he made more than one trip. Won't be long before "certified shiatsu massage specialists" start trying to sell their stories about their "certified shiatsu massage" with a certain NDP leader.

This is just starting to get interesting.

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he's being treated for prostate cancer but where is this 6 month thing coming from?
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we just had a case a bout a horse that turned out to be bogus, now why would a 16 year old story that that the cops did not have any evidence to charge him with any thing, all of a sudden come to light and back then the cops would have loved to have locked him up for all the BS he caused them. things here just don't add up kind of like the horse that was shot that was not shot. ALL POLITICAL BS
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we just had a case a bout a horse that turned out to be bogus, now why would a 16 year old story that that the cops did not have any evidence to charge him with any thing, all of a sudden come to light and back then the cops would have loved to have locked him up for all the BS he caused them. things here just don't add up kind of like the horse that was shot that was not shot.
Funny that Layton or his wife OR the NDP have not disputed ANY of the facts presented then.
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Funny that Layton or his wife OR the NDP have not disputed ANY of the facts presented then.
Even more funny that hos wife can remember all the details of a 'routine' massage her huband got 16 years ago.
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Defiantly a smear campaign. It's not like it happend yesterday. Obviously he wasn't charged so not important. Looks like someone had to resort to such low tactics because they felt threatend by him and the NDP. If politicians had an ounce of integrity they would keep it strictly buisness. It's a shame that they would rather win by making their opponents look bad instead of actually doing their job. Here is hoping the conservatives don't get a majority. I don't think any party deserveS one.

I am still undecided. Seems like the same old song and dance. Slandering and bickering regardless of who is in power. I hope a revolution happens. Time for the people to take the power back. Like a non-racist version of the Tea-party.
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Defiantly a smear campaign. It's not like it happend yesterday. Obviously he wasn't charged so not important. Looks like someone had to resort to such low tactics because they felt threatend by him and the NDP. If politicians had an ounce of integrity they would keep it strictly buisness. It's a shame that they would rather win by making their opponents look bad instead of actually doing their job. Here is hoping the conservatives don't get a majority. I don't think any party deserveS one.

I am still undecided. Seems like the same old song and dance. Slandering and bickering regardless of who is in power. I hope a revolution happens. Time for the people to take the power back. Like a non-racist version of the Tea-party.
Yes...the teaparty is soooo racist. It's likely one of the least racist organizations in North America. http://theblacksphere.net/

I for one don't want a prime minister running this country that is toooo stupid to tell the difference between a massage parlour and a massage parlour. If that was Harper...the CBC would be running this story 24/7 and we wouldn't be hearing a word about the wedding.
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Defiantly a smear campaign. It's not like it happend yesterday. Obviously he wasn't charged so not important. Looks like someone had to resort to such low tactics because they felt threatend by him and the NDP. If politicians had an ounce of integrity they would keep it strictly buisness. It's a shame that they would rather win by making their opponents look bad instead of actually doing their job. Here is hoping the conservatives don't get a majority. I don't think any party deserveS one.

I am still undecided. Seems like the same old song and dance. Slandering and bickering regardless of who is in power. I hope a revolution happens. Time for the people to take the power back. Like a non-racist version of the Tea-party.
I don't necessarily think that it was a smear campaign. It could have just been a private citizen that felt the need to expose the truth about Layton because of his recent popularity in the polls. Any party that would be found involved in leaking this story would be committing political suicide. If he stayed "never to govern" Jack it would have never come out.

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The timing of the press release is too suspicious.

Doesn't something like this always happen in the final week or two before election day?

I would worry more about who held on this info, and decided to release it now. Whoever it was, I wouldn't want them in public office.
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Funny that Layton or his wife OR the NDP have not disputed ANY of the facts presented then.
in politics one keeps ones mouth shut an agrees with every one with out committing to any thing and distance them selves from any one that may not be popular at the moment, this is as old as politics goes. one doesn't release the news that slanders to quick especially if it can be dis proven as it then ****es people off and they get a huge sympathy vote. you got to release news a few days before the vote but your taking a chance as it could back fire on you. they must have known about this for years they just pick the time to when to use it and the closer to vote day the more likely that its BS. if you followed politics you would recognize the tactics, every election its some thing. and you never dispute any of the facts any where out side of a court room then you get to collect more money mostly from use the tax payers if you agree to never disclose what was shown to be fact in court.
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in politics one keeps ones mouth shut an agrees with every one with out committing to any thing and distance them selves from any one that may not be popular at the moment, this is as old as politics goes. one doesn't release the news that slanders to quick especially if it can be dis proven as it then ****es people off and they get a huge sympathy vote. you got to release news a few days before the vote but your taking a chance as it could back fire on you. they must have known about this for years they just pick the time to when to use it and the closer to vote day the more likely that its BS. if you followed politics you would recognize the tactics, every election its some thing. and you never dispute any of the facts any where out side of a court room then you get to collect more money mostly from use the tax payers if you agree to never disclose what was shown to be fact in court.
???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUph...layer_embedded


http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/29...-project-cobra



There are copies of the police officers actual notes from the raid and interview with Layton. He had a card filled out for future reference. He ain't getting any money from a lawsuit from those facts. And he ain't getting a sympathy vote from anyone other than perverts.

Oh...and I do kinda follow politics. A little. And you always...ALWAYS dispute the facts...IF they are not true. IF they ARE true you try and turn the issue back on your accusers (ie: they are smearing me etc) IF you followed politics you would know this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ahj...layer_embedded

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I would worry more about who held on this info, and decided to release it now. Whoever it was, I wouldn't want them in public office.
It was a cop that brought the info forward, not a politician.

I guess that the real question to ask yourself is, if you were a strong Lib, Con or Bloc supporter and you saw the NDP as a threat to your political beliefs, livelihood and/or quality of life, would you bring the info forward?
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The timing of the press release is too suspicious.

Doesn't something like this always happen in the final week or two before election day?

I would worry more about who held on this info, and decided to release it now. Whoever it was, I wouldn't want them in public office.

exactly, I wuold love to no witch party this person that held this info belonged to.
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exactly, I wuold love to no witch party this person that held this info belonged to.
You don't get it.......if it wasn't a conspiracy by one of the parties and was given up by a private citizen it's a non-issue.
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The fact that he was caught in a massage parlour 16 years ago is not going to sway many votes. How he handles the situation now might. If voters think he is handling the situation like a weasle then they might change their vote. We are all humans and all make mistakes. How we handle our mistakes determines what kind of people we are.

Look at how Letterman handled his cheating situation. He owned up to it rather than denying it and trying to sweep it under the rug and was respected for it.
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There are copies of the police officers actual notes from the raid and interview with Layton. He had a card filled out for future reference. He ain't getting any money from a lawsuit from those facts. And he ain't getting a sympathy vote from anyone other than perverts.

Oh...and I do kinda follow politics. A little. And you always...ALWAYS dispute the facts...IF they are not true. IF they ARE true you try and turn the issue back on your accusers (ie: they are smearing me etc) IF you followed politics you would know this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ahj...layer_embedded
Rugatika think about this for a moment a cops notes are not public record and what cop is going to make copies of his note books and police file (interview) and hang on to them for 16years. he wuoldn't those note books and interview came right out of tronto police station. and they got a retired cop to give them to the news media so no body gets fired.
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