Canada Post - Its over!

[eastcoast]

Originally Posted by backpacker

I haven't read all the posts in this thread but as I understand a big stumbling block in this strike is the pension! I can't recall the exact number but I believe it was a 3.2 million/billion? deficit. Just as in the Air Canada strike, pension deficits are something you must settle! If a pension deficit is allowed to carry over, then essentially your pension will be far less come retirement time. It was just this same scenario that convinced me to remove my pension money from the PPWC (pulp&paper workers of Canada).
The government should legislate into law that any and all pension plans offered or negotiated must be fully funded. To do other wise will only leave more Canadians drawing from OAS and GIS come thier retiement years. Both of those programs are funded by the Canadian taxpayer so it would obviously be in the taxpayers best interest if the pensions agreed upon were fully funded.

I am working for a non-union company and we are given 24 hrs. sick leave each year and we are allowed to bank it, so that lil' perk isn't just a union benifit, it can happen in a non- union setting as well.(just wanted to coment on that as well)

I believe I said that a few pages ago, these companies and alot of public entities are allowed to do that and it's wrong, all pensions should be fully funded to avoid things like this.

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by eastcoast

that's not what they are doing to them right now?

How so? Please be specific, or admit you don't have a clue what you are talking about..................................

[.257Weatherby]

Originally Posted by Tundra Monkey

I don't understand what the big deal is about sick time. We get 7 days a year....if ya don't use them they are carried over. In 20 years I will have 140 days in the bank provided I never get sick. If I wind up in the hospital I will still be able to be paid while I'm in there....cancer/broken bones whatever. It is a helper to your family during a stressful time. When I quit they are gone....they don't pay you out for them.....they just get lost in the shuffle. Why is this such a bad thing??

tm

TM, I am Union Thug and feel there is No Problem with what you have earned in the 20 years of Service to your Company. Good On You!!!
It is the spin doctoring that is going on from both sides and the Government is Spinning it as well , to make themselves look good to those that donated to the Campaign recently.
And for those that hate us Union(Organized) citizens, walk a mile, drive a mile or sail a mile in our shoes before running off at the mouth.
Rob

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by .257Weatherby

walk a mile, drive a mile or sail a mile in our shoes before running off at the mouth.
Rob

Are you saying your job is harder to do then mine?

Or are you saying the perks of being a union employee are so great that if I was a union employee... I would fight to keep the status quo the same way you do?

[eastcoast]

Originally Posted by Dakota369

How so? Please be specific, or admit you don't have a clue what you are talking about..................................

it has been explained over and over again,canada post is not losing money,canada post is not negotiating and never really have,they got the government to step in on their behalf, they have an unfunded pension that is their fault and their's alone,now they are asking the workers to take a significant wage reduction when they are making money,if that's not being held over a barrell what would you call it?

[Okotokian]

ooops

[LongBomber]

Originally Posted by eastcoast

from my understanding they don't actually get that to start,most posties start off casual part time and wait for upwards of 2 years before a full time position opens up before they get that wage,they don't just walk in day 1 and get $25 an hour.

They actually do start at $23.50, but yes they are casual workers to start. Very similar to starting as an equipment operator at a coal mine, or many other jobs. You start as casual with no benefits, then if you pan out you get benefits. I have no sympathy for the posties, unrealistic wishes for the current economic conditions. If they were private sector they would be making half of what they do now and get 1/4 the benefits.

They should be happy that the Canadian public has no real voice, or they would be back at work getting half what they did yesterday. Eastcoast take a good look around, your standing alone on this issue. It's a landslide of people saying what you and the union doesn't want to hear.

[eastcoast]

Originally Posted by LongBomber

They actually do start at $23.50, but yes they are casual workers to start. Very similar to starting as an equipment operator at a coal mine, or many other jobs. You start as casual with no benefits, then if you pan out you get benefits. I have no sympathy for the posties, unrealistic wishes for the current economic conditions. If they were private sector they would be making half of what they do now and get 1/4 the benefits.

They should be happy that the Canadian public has no real voice, or they would be back at work getting half what they did yesterday. Eastcoast take a good look around, your standing alone on this issue. It's a landslide of people saying what you and the union doesn't want to hear.

I hadn't realized that I am on an alberta board the most anti union place in canada,with a bunch of outdoorsmen who are even more anti union, if I went to some ndp board im sure it would be the reverse,consensus doesn't make one right,hell I bet if this board were around and I was on it in 03 everybody here would be for the iraq war,doesn't make it right.

[Redfrog]

Doesn't make it wrong either.

I'm just happy to be in your presence. I've heard of Mr. Right. I just didn't know your first name was 'Always'. I'm not impressed that you 're right, even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while. I'm impressed with how many on here are consistently wrong.

No eastcoasters were harmed in the making of this post.

[eastcoast]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Doesn't make it wrong either.

I'm just happy to be in your presence. I've heard of Mr. Right. I just didn't know your first name was 'Always'. I'm not impressed that you 're right, even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while. I'm impressed with how many on here are consistently wrong.

No eastcoasters were harmed in the making of this post.

thank you

[Redfrog]

Just trying to keep you honest.

You do bring a different perspective to the debate.

[roadkill]

As someone who's waiting on a spanky new straight razor that's stuck in a warehouse somewhere, I'd like Canada Post to get back to work. As someone who's had cause in the past to be thankful for being unionised, I'm not about to dis the postal workers. As someone who lives in Québec, I can tell you that anyone who's been legislated back to work tends to vote against the party that done it to them next time they're at the ballot box, no matter what. If Harper legislates ends to too many strikes, I'm going to love the next election.

Legislating the two sides to a new round of arbitration talks would have been the way to go on this one.

[Tundra Monkey]

Originally Posted by FishingMOM

I would love to get sick days. But even when I am home sick, I am still working as the calls just get forwarded to my cell phone.
The only time I have actually been away away is either stinky has been in hospital or I have been on vacation.

So.......when you are sick you go to work and get everyone else sick?

Even when I was working on at the mine prior to the union coming in you were told to head back to your room (fly in camp job) and told come back when you were better......it doesn't make sense to take down your whole crew. At least in that companies opinion.

What if Stinky gets sick for a month?? You need to find a decent job with some benefits. The best time to look for a job is when you have one IMO.

tm

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by BeerSlayer1

You guys are pretty funny, if you think Letter Carriers are way overpaid and their benefits are out of line then get your application in. Canada Post is hiring.

Where?

Please post the exact place where you saw this.

[FishingMOM]

Originally Posted by Tundra Monkey

So.......when you are sick you go to work and get everyone else sick?

Even when I was working on at the mine prior to the union coming in you were told to head back to your room (fly in camp job) and told come back when you were better......it doesn't make sense to take down your whole crew. At least in that companies opinion.

What if Stinky gets sick for a month?? You need to find a decent job with some benefits. The best time to look for a job is when you have one IMO.

tm

If I am sick and in my office then I put up my Do Not Disturb Sign.
Besides the only one who comes into my office is the Operations manager. He is out of commission, as I sent him to hospital yesterday.
Otherwise the guys only come in when they need something urgently. Most of the time I talk to them on the phone or by text.

I would love to find a different job, however most I find are NOT co-operative when you have little ones.
At least right now I have the ability to bring stink into the office with me if needed. I have had the time off when he is sick.

[blackpheasant]

Originally Posted by roadkill

As someone who's waiting on a spanky new straight razor that's stuck in a warehouse somewhere, I'd like Canada Post to get back to work. As someone who's had cause in the past to be thankful for being unionised, I'm not about to dis the postal workers. As someone who lives in Québec, I can tell you that anyone who's been legislated back to work tends to vote against the party that done it to them next time they're at the ballot box, no matter what. If Harper legislates ends to too many strikes, I'm going to love the next election.

Legislating the two sides to a new round of arbitration talks would have been the way to go on this one.

Get used to it RK....at least 12 more years of "CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY RULE".....yeee haaw!!!

[Boberama]

They must be forced back to work.

We can't be wishy-washy with these Marxist organizations.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

The reason we are the best is cuz Harper didn't give into the socialist union mentality and still doesn't its called being fiscally responsible..look at every NDP run province and see what a world of hurt they are in...

Just because a person is pro-union dies not make them automatically in favour of the NDP.
Cat

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Boberama

They must be forced back to work.

We can't be wishy-washy with these Marxist organizations.

Before you utter another word, maybe you should really think about the crap you just said, because that is ALL it is, pure crap.

Cat

[Tundra Monkey]

I work in an industry that requires certain unionized individuals to remain at work during a strike situation. They are designated as "essential services personnel." This would be a better solution to the problem IMO.

If you think that by ordering them back to work that there will 48000 workers busting hump to get you your mail you will be sadly mistaken. You thought their service sucked before......just wait and see how this works out.

tm

[Boberama]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Before you utter another word, maybe you should really think about the crap you just said, because that is ALL it is, pure crap.

Cat

I guess sarcasm doesn't come across well on your screen.

Yes, they sould be forced back to work. This union nonsense is delaying the delivery of an item I ordered.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Boberama

I guess sarcasm doesn't come across well on your screen.

Yes, they sould be forced back to work. This union nonsense is delaying the delivery of an item I ordered.

Well, it sucks to be you.
You are not the only person with stuff in the mail, I have over $3,000 in firearms in transit as well, deal with it.

And no, I don't think you meant it as sarcasm, I firmly believe after reading your other posts you meant exactly what you said.

Cat

[Boberama]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Well, it sucks to be you.
You are not the only person with stuff in the mail, I have over $3,000 in firearms in transit as well, deal with it.

Cat

So what's the wrong with forcing these people back to work, then?

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Boberama

So what's the wrong with forcing these people back to work, then?

If you don't mind a government forcing you to do thing you do not want to fine, I don't condone it....
Cat

[Boberama]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

If you don't mind a government forcing you to do thing you do not want to fine, I don't condone it....
Cat

I don't condone unionizaton.

And do you condone these unions saying you can't, for instance, be a teacher, unless you join their stupid organization?

Humbug to the unions.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Boberama

I don't condone unionizaton.

And do you condone these unions saying you can't, for instance, be a teacher, unless you join their stupid organization?

Humbug to the unions.

Of course I condone the union rules!
And yes, I toe the union line and make sure the members in my jurisdiction do as well . I'm one of those union bosses that many people seem to know everything about, but really know very little about what goes on concerning the workings of a unio0n.
My wife was a teacher for over 30 years as well, BTW.
Cat

[thirty-30]

Well, either way it's over. Bill cleared the house and is off to the senate.

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by roadkill

As someone who's waiting on a spanky new straight razor that's stuck in a warehouse somewhere, I'd like Canada Post to get back to work. As someone who's had cause in the past to be thankful for being unionised, I'm not about to dis the postal workers. As someone who lives in Québec, I can tell you that anyone who's been legislated back to work tends to vote against the party that done it to them next time they're at the ballot box, no matter what. If Harper legislates ends to too many strikes, I'm going to love the next election.

Legislating the two sides to a new round of arbitration talks would have been the way to go on this one.

Hey RK, If Alberta were to ever separate, where would the people of Qbek ever get their money for living their high and mighty Greek lifestyle.

Of course Alberta will never separate.

[Boberama]

Originally Posted by thirty-30

Well, either way it's over. Bill cleared the house and is off to the senate.

Good riddance work stoppage!

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Boberama

Good riddance work stoppage!

it also ends the lock-out as well.Don't forget, there are two sides involved here, the company and the union .

Cat