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Old 11-10-2017, 07:59 AM
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Nothing but crickets from Canadian media so far. The Australians are POd.

Danang Vietnam: Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has sabotaged a pact to salvage a multibillion-dollar, 11-nation Pacific Rim trade deal at the last minute, surprising leaders of the other nations, including Australia's Malcolm Turnbull.

Mr Trudeau failed to show up at a meeting late on Friday that was set to officially revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement that had been negotiated on the sidelines of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in the Vietnamese coastal city of Danang.

The empty seat (foreground) allocated for Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during a meeting for the Trans-Pacific ...
The empty seat (foreground) allocated for Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during a meeting for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Photo: AAP
"There were a lot of unhappy leaders left sitting there," said an official who was in the meeting.

All 11 foreign ministers of the grouping had agreed on Thursday night to revive the agreement that was rejected by US President Donald Trump days after he took office.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau failed to show-up at a meeting that was set to revive the Trans-Pacific ...
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau failed to show-up at a meeting that was set to revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. Photo: AP
But Mr Trudeau raised issues at the last minute that forced Japan's Prime Minister Shino Abe, who is chair of the gathering, to announce the meeting had to be abandoned.

Mr Turnbull has been spruiking the benefits of the TPP since arriving in Danang on Thursday, telling an APEC leaders' reception the pact "creates rules of the road to match the new economic world in which we're living".

"It aims at old hidden trade barriers like corruption and new ones like data protectionism," he said.

"It works to level the playing field for non-state companies and is designed to defend and extend the freedom to explore, share and capitalise on new ideas."

Australian Trade Minister Steven Ciobo after a meeting for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Australian Trade Minister Steven Ciobo after a meeting for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Photo: AAP
Mr Turnbull said the pact would bring together economies with a collective GDP of about $US10 trillion.

"So that is a huge market," he said.

Mr Trudeau's walk-out is deeply embarrassing for Canada's Trade Minister Franois-Philippe Champagne, who has agreed to the deal.

Officials expected that the leaders would simply rubber-stamp what had already been agreed by the trade ministers, despite the agreement being unpopular in Canada.

Australia's Trade Minister Steven Ciobo said it was disappointing the leaders' meeting had to be cancelled.

He said what the trade ministers had agreed on was a "very high quality deal, one that maintained high standards and would have seen benefits flowing to the countries".

Mr Ciobo said despite the set-back the 10 other countries will need to consider the issues raised by Canada.

But no further negotiations or meetings are planned.

The agreement negotiated over more than a year would deliver 19 new free trade agreements among the 11 countries.

For Australia the pact would open new trade agreements with Canada and Mexico and provide greater market access to Japan, Chile, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei.

The countries account for almost one quarter of Australia's exports of goods and services.

Backed by Australia, Japan has lobbied hard to proceed with the pact that is seen as a way to counter China's regional dominance.

Mr Turnbull is scheduled to meet Mr Trudeau during the three-day APEC meetings.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:09 AM
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It was noted in one article he didn’t attend due to a disagreement over something with Japan. Now I’m left to wonder if it was something he was actually sticking up for Canada’s interests on something like lumber tariffs or if it was one of the Liberals goofy social justice tirades about the international trading partner not having enough transsexuals employed or that Geisha’s are being mistreated under a sexist regime or something. The only time he would stick up for something would be under the orders of whomever it is that owns him: Paul Martin, the Bronfman’s, etc.

When his owners tell him to do something and he doesn’t want to be questioned or cross-examined he can only stammer out “uhhh” and “umm” for so long. Besides, there may have been some socks stores he’d not been to nearby.
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Canada has two major sticking points with TPP, including passages on intellectual property rights and cultural exemptions.

Trudeau said Thursday Canada must maintain the right to regulate, and financially support, the country's cultural industries and not fear retribution at a trade tribunal. Importantly, Canada has long said it must be allowed to protect its culture — especially its minority francophone culture — against globalization and cultural assimilation.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec...ders-1.4396312
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:19 AM
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I guess Canada is just following the American lead.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:25 AM
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It was noted in one article he didn’t attend due to a disagreement over something with Japan. Now I’m left to wonder if it was something he was actually sticking up for Canada’s interests on something like lumber tariffs or if it was one of the Liberals goofy social justice tirades about the international trading partner not having enough transsexuals employed or that Geisha’s are being mistreated under a sexist regime or something. The only time he would stick up for something would be under the orders of whomever it is that owns him: Paul Martin, the Bronfman’s, etc.

When his owners tell him to do something and he doesn’t want to be questioned or cross-examined he can only stammer out “uhhh” and “umm” for so long. Besides, there may have been some socks stores he’d not been to nearby.
I caught something briefly on the news that it is partially related to trade related to auto parts. Which seems odd...
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:31 AM
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Canada has two major sticking points with TPP, including passages on intellectual property rights and cultural exemptions.

Trudeau said Thursday Canada must maintain the right to regulate, and financially support, the country's cultural industries and not fear retribution at a trade tribunal. Importantly, Canada has long said it must be allowed to protect its culture — especially its minority francophone culture — against globalization and cultural assimilation.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec...ders-1.4396312
Hmmm, now I’m confused. The virtue signaling 🤡 said “There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” Trudeau said, concluding that he sees Canada as “the first post-national state.”“

Now we need to protect the French identity while allowing Quebec to be invaded by illegals?

For this we kill a massive trade deal, that may bring in jobs/tax revenue for him to squander worldwide, all while ignoring Canadians.
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So for all the Trump supporters him leaving the TPP was good.
For all the Trudeau haters it’s bad.
So TPP bad for US under Trump but good for Canada under Trudeau....
Makes perfect sense.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:11 AM
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Dairy supply management in Quebec being threatened, would be my guess.

That being said, I don't agree with globalization or trade deals with totalitarian, overpopulated, polluting, lawless states like china. We don't need more Chinese garbage and they shouldn't get any exemptions or special treatment. Economic growth does not justify anything and everything. So while his motives may not be the best, this is probably good for Canadians.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:50 AM
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As I understand it; some agreements in the NAFTA deal contradict some of the agreements in the TPP. Can't lock in one deal until the other one is locked.
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Stay tuned with this one. The US is involved and Canada has a game on too by the look of it.

It would be very risky for Canada to make treaties with Chin without the US.

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My worry with TPP is whether it further opens the door to a flood of temporary foreign works. I do not think a sell out of the entire country is necessary for the sake of $'s even though it may look good in the short term.
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Old 11-10-2017, 11:42 AM
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So for all the Trump supporters him leaving the TPP was good.
For all the Trudeau haters it’s bad.
So TPP bad for US under Trump but good for Canada under Trudeau....
Makes perfect sense.
Trudeau's fans are probably having a hard enough time trying to decide whether or not they should support an agreement that both Tom Mulcair and Donald Trump were against.
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So for all the Trump supporters him leaving the TPP was good.
For all the Trudeau haters it’s bad.
So TPP bad for US under Trump but good for Canada under Trudeau....
Makes perfect sense.
sounds about right
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:32 PM
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He doesn,t have the balls to go there and say no in person, He just skips out on the meeting. What a world leader, He also skipping out on Our remembrance Day celebrations. Skip to My Lou, our trudeau.
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Trudeau's fans are probably having a hard enough time trying to decide whether or not they should support an agreement that both Tom Mulcair and Donald Trump were against.
Exactly. If the right and left don’t like something there must be something deeply worrying about it.
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I'm happy trulander has not gone to the table on this trade deal. I don't care what his reasoning is. He probably mid read to memo thinking is was Trans-gender partnership not Trans-pacific partnership and now he is confused.
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I caught something briefly on the news that it is partially related to trade related to auto parts. Which seems odd...
Odd until I remembered Belinda Stronach (wasn’t she owner of Magna Int. A large auto parts company ) had crossed the floor from the Cons to the Lib’s... Perhaps another case of the wealthy looking after their own interests again ?
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I agree with the libranos on this one. God I feel dirty.
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we could ignore human rights abuses in many of these countries and child labor do we really want to open the free trade doors to a polluting industrialized population of 1.3 billion people without safety standards for not only the workplace but products. Average annual wage in china was about the same as our monthly wage in Canada for 2012. Do we want more cheap self destructing goods or more lead paint on our products.
Anything we "grant" to PTT we will have to give up twice as much to renegotiate Nafta with the US
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Poverty and those wishing to join it. I didn’t even read that from a peace of paper someone wrote for me 😁
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I believe that, reading and writing might be a stretch.
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Wonder how much influence China had in his no show
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we could ignore human rights abuses in many of these countries and child labor do we really want to open the free trade doors to a polluting industrialized population of 1.3 billion people without safety standards for not only the workplace but products. Average annual wage in china was about the same as our monthly wage in Canada for 2012. Do we want more cheap self destructing goods or more lead paint on our products.
Anything we "grant" to PTT we will have to give up twice as much to renegotiate Nafta with the US
Going AWOL is probably the first thing he did right so far.
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Going AWOL is probably the first thing he did right so far.
That's what I'm thinking. Somehow, he narrowly avoided shaking hands with the devil. This deal empowers Eastern Rim countries who exploit weakness for gain. Australia might need partners like that, but we do not.
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Can anyone be specific on the harmful parts of the treaty?
Here is a good part,
There's no reason for delay, as TPP is an overall win for Canada. For example, Canadian beef exporters would see more than $500-million in increased exports with a 60 per cent increase to TPP countries. Fruit and vegetable exports would increase more than $300-million, a whopping 141 per cent increase. Pork and poultry, machinery and equipment manufacturing, wood products and food-product sectors would also see more than $200-million in additional exports.


But it mostly benefits the West so of course selfie the �� and waterworks Freeland wouldn’t approve anything like that.
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