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10-17-2020, 11:12 AM
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steel shot for upland ?
in the sept. Ao mag I was reading Kevin Wilsons Tips for the outdoors and was surprised to see this " Since 2012 , upland game bird hunters have been required to use non-toxic loads as well " As far as I know and all my hunter buddies , lead is still ok for upland . Am I missing something ?
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10-17-2020, 11:22 AM
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No Tox loads required for Federal land.
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10-17-2020, 11:28 AM
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Read letters to the editor for the October issue.
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10-17-2020, 01:12 PM
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Steel shot
As far as I know lead is OK for upland. That’s all we use. Steel sucks! That’s whole steel shot thing is just another rigged deal.
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10-17-2020, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jednastka
Read letters to the editor for the October issue.
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I see that now . I am a little behind in my reading , thanks . I enjoy his articles and seemed like an honest mistake
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10-17-2020, 07:27 PM
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I think it is ok to use lead for upland but you have to be far enough from water to use it.
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10-17-2020, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tabers Best
I think it is ok to use lead for upland but you have to be far enough from water to use it.
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There is no minimum distance from water when using lead shot for upland birds.
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10-17-2020, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
There is no minimum distance from water when using lead shot for upland birds.
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Can you use lead hunting chickens in Wainwright?
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10-17-2020, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pikergolf
Can you use lead hunting chickens in Wainwright?
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You can't use lead shot on military bases, and it has nothing to do with how close you are to water.
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10-17-2020, 08:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pikergolf
Can you use lead hunting chickens in Wainwright?
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No, non-toxic shot is required to hunt game birds at Camp Wainwright.
From page 60:
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ATTENTION WMU 728 & 730 (Camp Wainwright) HUNTERS:
WARNING: Hazards in the form of unexploded military munitions may exist throughout
Camp Wainwright. Hunters are advised not to touch any foreign objects. Camp Wainwright
officials have advised that all hunters using shotguns to hunt game birds at Camp
Wainwright must use non-toxic shot. Lead shot is not allowed.
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10-17-2020, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
You can't use lead shot on military bases, and it has nothing to do with how close you are to water.
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The reason I ask was that the base down here had their skeet range go belly up when the Feds outlawed lead. Was just curious about Wainwright.
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10-17-2020, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pikergolf
The reason I ask was that the base down here had their skeet range go belly up when the Feds outlawed lead. Was just curious about Wainwright.
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But you can use lead bullets for big game. I wonder if there is lead in the ammunition the military uses on the base?
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10-17-2020, 08:26 PM
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But you can use lead bullets for big game. I wonder if there is lead in the ammunition the military uses on the base?
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I would think the small arms stuff would be.
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10-18-2020, 09:16 AM
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working on the cold lake military base for 15 years you learn there is some decisions made with zero common sense. Its do as I say not as I do. So a few lead bb's better not be used and don't worry what we use...LOL
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10-18-2020, 09:47 AM
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Be careful what you bring up.
The Federal government would love to ban all lead core ammunition too.
Civilian laws mostly don't apply to the military.
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10-18-2020, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gevarm guy
working on the cold lake military base for 15 years you learn there is some decisions made with zero common sense. Its do as I say not as I do. So a few lead bb's better not be used and don't worry what we use...LOL
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Define common sense.....it's all a personal perspective on a given situation etc....which leads to failure or success depending on the individual at the helm....and then you throw in the chirpers who want to be heard and do nothing other than chirp....peep....peep....peep. 
That bird needs a load of #71/2......lead that is.....
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10-18-2020, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by trigger7mm
As far as I know lead is OK for upland. That’s all we use. Steel sucks! That’s whole steel shot thing is just another rigged deal.
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What is it that sucks about using steel vs lead? Forgive my ignorance, I am very new to this world. A semi educated guess would say its harder on the gun? Perhaps less weight in load with less impact force?
Also, as a new guy is inclined to do, as i read through the regs it does state that some conservation areas require steel shot for all small game, not just waterfowl.
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10-18-2020, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JRF
What is it that sucks about using steel vs lead? Forgive my ignorance, I am very new to this world. A semi educated guess would say its harder on the gun? Perhaps less weight in load with less impact force?
Also, as a new guy is inclined to do, as i read through the regs it does state that some conservation areas require steel shot for all small game, not just waterfowl.
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Steel is not as dense, so you have to go to a larger shot size, which reduces the pattern density. It effects all gauges, but is more of an issue with the sub gauges.
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