Food For Thought

[dodger]

Last weekend I had to call F&W about a serious incident. They called me today to update me on my findings and it was 50/50 on what I suspected.

Here's the part I want to talk about. During my conversation with the F&W officer on the phone we started to make some small talk. I asked him if he has been busy down South where I was fishing. He said he has been run ragged with calls of poaching. THE PROBLEM IS - all the calls are about visible minorities poaching and out of all his responses to the calls he found 1 guy whose barb was 1/2 *****ed pinched. He said it seems every time one of these group of people are out fishing someone calls about poaching.

If we are not certain a person is doing something illegal maybe we should give a moments thought about calling "R.A.P ". We all complain about not enough enforcement, but - if we are sending the few officers we have on Goose chases and pulling them away from a "real " possible problem then we are not helping our common goal of saving our outdoor passions.

JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

Dodger.

[FishingFrenzy]

Great post Dodger. Definately food for thought...

If your not worried about being verbally/physically attacked it might be worth people getting a little closer, talking to the "poachers" see whats actully going on. (instead of seeing something from a distance and calling..) Could save F&W a lot of time/money.

Thanks for that!

Tight lines!

[Photoplex]

Good point, well made. Thanks Dodger

[Dust1n]

good post.
i think mabe "if" people were doing something wrong its not because they mean to its because they dont know and its up to us to point it out.

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

good post.
i think mabe "if" people were doing something wrong its not because they mean to its because they dont know and its up to us to point it out.

nope, if they are fishing its up to them to know and practice the rules, not us to point the rules out to them.

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

nope, if they are fishing its up to them to know and practice the rules, not us to point the rules out to them.

yeah but say if you went over to asia and couldnt read the laugnue to well and you got in trouble for 'poaching"

[scudman]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

yeah but say if you went over to asia and couldnt read the laugnue to well and you got in trouble for 'poaching"

Language barrier is no excuse. you come to Canada, learn English, You have any idea how hard it is to order a double double at Timmys? I try and get my normal coffee and end up with a chicken salad sandwich and ice tea, then try to explain thats not what I wanted and end up giving up becasue its pointless...

sigh....

[Braun]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

yeah but say if you went over to asia and couldnt read the laugnue to well and you got in trouble for 'poaching"

lol i cant wait for waynes response on this one.

if i couldnt read the regs i would ask someone who could or i would use a guide in a foreign country because it would be my responsibility to figure out and follow the regs

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by scudman

Language barrier is no excuse. you come to Canada, learn English, You have any idea how hard it is to order a double double at Timmys? I try and get my normal coffee and end up with a chicken salad sandwich and ice tea, then try to explain thats not what I wanted and end up giving up becasue its pointless...

sigh....

Alright i see your points you both made. im just saying it dosent hurt to show them the regs...if thyre doing something wrong

[Braun]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

Alright i see your points you both made. im just saying it dosent hurt to show them the regs...if thyre doing something wrong

in certain cases yes. i have helps a couple people out who dont know the regs. but it comes down to the attitude of the person

[GaryF]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

yeah but say if you went over to asia and couldnt read the laugnue to well and you got in trouble for 'poaching"

If I went anywhere in the world to fish, its my responsibility to know the regs, whatever the language. They wouldn't care if I didn't know the language, I'd get caned anyways.

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by GaryF

If I went anywhere in the world to fish, its my responsibility to know the regs, whatever the language. They wouldn't care if I didn't know the language, I'd get caned anyways.

yeah i guess they wouldnt care too much....

[commieboy]

I think the real point here is that people are calling R.A.P. and reporting people based on the colour of their skin rather than on any other tangible evidence.

As expressed by many on this board, the overwhelming consensus is that most Asians are poachers. So of course, if you see an Asian on the water, it's safe to assume they must be poaching and thus we should put in a call to R.A.P.

Alberta.... what a friendly place.

[chubbdarter]

i report Bob Izumi.....everytime i see his TV show

[FishingFrenzy]

Originally Posted by commieboy

I think the real point here is that people are calling R.A.P. and reporting people based on the colour of their skin rather than on any other tangible evidence.

As expressed by many on this board, the overwhelming consensus is that most Asians are poachers. So of course, if you see an Asian on the water, it's safe to assume they must be poaching and thus we should put in a call to R.A.P.

Alberta.... what a friendly place.

I agree 100%. I have a few Asian friends.. there great guys.. I dont even think of them being "Asian". There people just like you and I.. Maybe there are some or even alot of Asian poachers.. but im betting there's alot of white ones too..

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

i report Bob Izumi.....everytime i see his TV show

Thanks for that chubb.. gave me a laugh!

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by FishingFrenzy

I agree 100%. I have a few Asian friends.. there great guys.. I dont even think of them being "Asian". There people just like you and I.. Maybe there are some or even alot of Asian poachers.. but im betting there's alot of white ones too..




Thanks for that chubb.. gave me a laugh!

crap..Bob is half white....he is the worst possible combination

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by Fish Hunter7

yeah but say if you went over to asia and couldnt read the laugnue to well and you got in trouble for 'poaching"

Id probably be able to read the regs over there, as long as your cousin didnt write them!!!

[Crossfire]

Originally Posted by commieboy

I think the real point here is that people are calling R.A.P. and reporting people based on the colour of their skin rather than on any other tangible evidence.

As expressed by many on this board, the overwhelming consensus is that most Asians are poachers. So of course, if you see an Asian on the water, it's safe to assume they must be poaching and thus we should put in a call to R.A.P.

Alberta.... what a friendly place.

I dont think that has anything to do with the point im pretty sure that the point dodger is making is telling us to make sure we are reporting something that is indeed a crime not just suspicion . HE NEVER SAID LETS ALL STOP REPORTING THE ASIANS UNLESS WE KNOW FOR SURE THEY ARE COMMITING A CRIME. HE SAID DONT REPORT SOMEONE(anyone) UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THEY ARE POACHING OR COMMITING A CRIMe.
His post had nothing to do with color of skin or race.
People are just calling R.A.P on there suspician without evidence sometimes make sure we are reporting things that are not waisting the conservation officers time

[BGSH]

[QUOTE=Crossfire;955603]I dont think that has anything to do with the point im pretty sure that the point dodger is making is telling us to make sure we are reporting something that is indeed a crime not just suspicion . HE NEVER SAID LETS ALL STOP REPORTING THE ASIANS UNLESS WE KNOW FOR SURE THEY ARE COMMITING A CRIME. HE SAID DONT REPORT SOMEONE(anyone) UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THEY ARE POACHING OR COMMITING A CRIMe.
His post had nothing to do with color of skin or race.
People are just calling R.A.P on there suspician without evidence sometimes make sure we are reporting things that are not waisting the conservation officers time[/


Dont call r.a.p unless you do see someone keeping fish or harming wildlife, I talked to fish and wildlife alot the past month and they always tell me to call r.a.p if someone is keeping fish that is not aloud unless other wise posted, and keeping over limit of fish, that being said if i see someones fishing lure of bait beside me and i notice its barbed i explain to them the regs, if they dont obey i just call r.a.p in that case, and if they do obey thats great. Only report if you know for sure someone is doing something illegal or suspious activity for example someone driving through feilds at night may be poachers as well.

[dodger]

My concern is people are calling R.A.P. without much thought to the time required by the officer to respond to a "maybe" situation. Unfortunetly it seems the Asian community is harder hit on suspect situations than others and that is a sad reflection on our fishing community.

Dodger.

[Freedom55]

The only times that I have ever seen "poaching" the "perps and un-subs" were white guys about 25-30 years old. I may have talked to other anglers who had done something wrong that I did not observe, but I am not a nosey person. That said, one fellow I am referring to had just landed a 5 lb bull trout that he slung in a bag. When I hollered at him from my boat that bulls are a protected species, he hauled four more out of (Upper Kananaskis) lake on a chain stringer, displayed them to me then RAN LIKE HELL. No way I could catch him, but I can tell you this; he was white and he was a thief.

A good friend of mine was observed, charged and convicted for "molesting" fish for taking a large trout from a fish trap on Three Point Creek with his hands. White guy. Poaching.

Oddly enough, I have learned by reading this forum that if a dark skinned foreign national is practicing a particular activity there is a better than even chance a law being broken or disregarded. However, if it is a white boy (as in younger than his European-boomer parents) that is disregarding the rules, then it is named "my right" and the practice is allowable because of some sort of entitlement clause.

I wouldn't call this forum a racist crowd. No way. I would call it the "After Me You're First" crowd.

Good thing the fella that opened the door of the camper in the littering (or is that the "I haven't picked that up yet") video was a W.A.S.P. We would have to endure a lot more racism disguised as sportsmanship than we typically do, and I would have to rethink my "not racists" comment.

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[TyreeUM]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

Oddly enough, I have learned by reading this forum that if a dark skinned foreign national is practicing a particular activity there is a better than even chance a law being broken or disregarded. However, if it is a white boy (as in younger than his European-boomer parents) that is disregarding the rules, then it is named "my right" and the practice is allowable because of some sort of entitlement clause.

This comment is laughable at best...

[commieboy]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

His post had nothing to do with color of skin or race.

Really? Did you read the part about the false reports being made towards VISIBLE MINORITIES? I used Asians as a reference, but visible minority would include asians and anyone else who is not white.

[boot]

Originally Posted by scudman

Language barrier is no excuse. you come to Canada, learn English, You have any idea how hard it is to order a double double at Timmys? I try and get my normal coffee and end up with a chicken salad sandwich and ice tea, then try to explain thats not what I wanted and end up giving up becasue its pointless...

sigh....

Lol, what does this have to do with fishing or this thread in particular? And actually, almost everyone on this board knows EXACTLY how hard it is to get a double double at Timmys. I'm not sure if you know this, but Tim Hortons is not an exclusive club... and when I order a coffee, that's what I get.

Anyhow, if you're having difficulties at your local fast food joint, maybe you should remove your hood, because it could be affecting your enunciation.

[boot]

Originally Posted by commieboy

I think the real point here is that people are calling R.A.P. and reporting people based on the colour of their skin rather than on any other tangible evidence.

As expressed by many on this board, the overwhelming consensus is that most Asians are poachers. So of course, if you see an Asian on the water, it's safe to assume they must be poaching and thus we should put in a call to R.A.P.

Alberta.... what a friendly place.

+1

[Crossfire]

Originally Posted by commieboy

Really? Did you read the part about the false reports being made towards VISIBLE MINORITIES? I used Asians as a reference, but visible minority would include asians and anyone else who is not white.

Everyone just needs to make sure we are not waisting the conservation officers time by reporting someone who infact is following no matter what nationality they are

[Photoplex]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

The only times that I have ever seen "poaching" the "perps and un-subs" were white guys about 25-30 years old. I may have talked to other anglers who had done something wrong that I did not observe, but I am not a nosey person. That said, one fellow I am referring to had just landed a 5 lb bull trout that he slung in a bag. When I hollered at him from my boat that bulls are a protected species, he hauled four more out of (Upper Kananaskis) lake on a chain stringer, displayed them to me then RAN LIKE HELL. No way I could catch him, but I can tell you this; he was white and he was a thief.

A good friend of mine was observed, charged and convicted for "molesting" fish for taking a large trout from a fish trap on Three Point Creek with his hands. White guy. Poaching.

Oddly enough, I have learned by reading this forum that if a dark skinned foreign national is practicing a particular activity there is a better than even chance a law being broken or disregarded. However, if it is a white boy (as in younger than his European-boomer parents) that is disregarding the rules, then it is named "my right" and the practice is allowable because of some sort of entitlement clause.

I wouldn't call this forum a racist crowd. No way. I would call it the "After Me You're First" crowd.

Good thing the fella that opened the door of the camper in the littering (or is that the "I haven't picked that up yet") video was a W.A.S.P. We would have to endure a lot more racism disguised as sportsmanship than we typically do, and I would have to rethink my "not racists" comment.

Free (to publish long winded stories)

Yes! x2

Originally Posted by boot

Lol, what does this have to do with fishing or this thread in particular? And actually, almost everyone on this board knows EXACTLY how hard it is to get a double double at Timmys. I'm not sure if you know this, but Tim Hortons is not an exclusive club... and when I order a coffee, that's what I get.

Anyhow, if you're having difficulties at your local fast food joint, maybe you should remove your hood, because it could be affecting your enunciation.

More yes! X2

[commieboy]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

Everyone just needs to make sure we are not waisting the conservation officers time by reporting someone who infact is following no matter what nationality they are

Yes, report poachers regardless of ethnicity. But to look at one's ethnicity and report them for poaching based on suspicion due to the colour of their skin? That is what I understand is happening from Dodger's (the original poster) reports of his conversation with F&W.

As stated by the original post, the fact remains that there is an obvious racial motivation with the calls being made. Dodger more or less confirmed this just a few posts up.

Report suspicious behaviour when you see it. I don't care what colour the person may be, but make damn sure that your suspicion has more evidence than their skin colour.

Sorry for the rant, folks. I get riled up with topics like this. Happy fishing to you all.

[chubbdarter]

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[Lefty-Canuck]

I wish someone came up with a pill for common sense..........that way threads wouldn't get derailed as often

Lefty